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reid, mr. obama starting the warfare about taxing the rich. reid sat on the bill. why didn't he bring it up for a vote? why didn't it get fair debate? mr. reid hasn't passed a budget and we going to believe they're serious about the fiscal problems? let's go offense the cliff. >> we have two cameras outside the white house right now. that one i believe is perched on pennsylvania avenue and we have another camera which is perched facing the side entrance. those are the suvs that likely boehner, mcconnell, pelosi and reid will come out of. let's talk about the deal. what if there's a deal, craig, for, i don't know, say 4 hr $500,000 the threshold of who gets taxes and who keeps -- everybody under that number keeps their tax cuts. everyone over pays more and there's spending cuts. is that a bad deal? >> yeah. i think it is. let me tell you why. because you can't get everything out of this deal that you want and frankly, all we're doing is kicking the can down the road. you know as well as i do this does nothing to deal with the $1 trillion plus deficits we have yearly
reid, mr. obama starting the warfare about taxing the rich. reid sat on the bill. why didn't he bring it up for a vote? why didn't it get fair debate? mr. reid hasn't passed a budget and we going to believe they're serious about the fiscal problems? let's go offense the cliff. >> we have two cameras outside the white house right now. that one i believe is perched on pennsylvania avenue and we have another camera which is perched facing the side entrance. those are the suvs that likely...
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>> i think reid's role is to protect the president, which i think is foolish. when boehner was trying to get the votes for the compromise bill last week, and we saw that strange business where harry reid was coming out and we knew president obama said he wasn't going to support it, then harry reid saying we're not going to take this bill up. it wasn't even going to get president obama. the only thing i can see is that harry reid is trying to protect the president, which if you look through history, parties protecting their president in a second term usually pay a very heavy price in second admit terms. i don't think -- midterms. i don't think this is be different harry reid protects him from hard decisions. >> got leave it there. take care. >> chris wallace will be here for more on the fiscal cliff and we'll hear from two key senators. >> a woman falls into freezing water. we'll show you who jumps in to save her just in the nick of time. >> hard to say whether everyone would do this. will the holidays be a nightmare for you? >> how new technology is helping peo
>> i think reid's role is to protect the president, which i think is foolish. when boehner was trying to get the votes for the compromise bill last week, and we saw that strange business where harry reid was coming out and we knew president obama said he wasn't going to support it, then harry reid saying we're not going to take this bill up. it wasn't even going to get president obama. the only thing i can see is that harry reid is trying to protect the president, which if you look...
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>> it's clear from senator reid said, they are not going to touch social security. but the president has made clear in discussions with speaker boehner, these entitlement programs will be on the table but only if it's a broader debt deal. republicans have different ideas. they want to see more cuts in spending right now. >> arthel: thank you very much. >> gregg: congress is not only facing a fiscal cliff, it's up a dairy clarify, if you will. the current farm bill is set to expire on new year's day. if an extension of that is not passed, the farm policies would revert to laws back to 1949 and cost of milk, that could skyrocket. back then the government used a formula to calculate dairy prices that is much more expensive than it is today. one option said to be on the table is short term extension that would prevent milk prices from rising. >> arthel: to other stories. a judge ordering a psychiatric evaluation for a woman suspected of shoving a man off a new york public is way platform. he was arraigned last night on murder and hate crime. she confessed to pushing a m
>> it's clear from senator reid said, they are not going to touch social security. but the president has made clear in discussions with speaker boehner, these entitlement programs will be on the table but only if it's a broader debt deal. republicans have different ideas. they want to see more cuts in spending right now. >> arthel: thank you very much. >> gregg: congress is not only facing a fiscal cliff, it's up a dairy clarify, if you will. the current farm bill is set to...
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the senate majority leader harry reid and john boehner exchange harsh words. the fiscal cliff in just five days and still no deal. the winter storm that slammed the south is now stranding thousands of travelers in the northeast and beyond. that is coming up. >>> and the russian president vladimir putin says he will sign a bill banning americans from adopting russian children. that's all ahead unless breaking news changes everything on "studio b." i'm trace gallagher in for shepard smith. first from fox at 3:00, back to work in washington, d.c. with less than five days to go before falls right off the fiscal cliff. the senate back in session today and it's the first time the senate or house has met for business between christmas and new year's in more than four decades. president obama cut his hawaii trip short arriving in washington early today. for now, the house of representatives is not in session but we've learned those lawmakers are set to return this weekend. today the senate majority leader, harry reid, says we've just about run out of time. >> if we go
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great to hear harry reid on this. the last time i checked the do so called proposal that a he put forth in july didn't really receive any support and only dealt with tax increases. it wasn't a comprehensive deal and didn't involve real spending cuts it was just raise tax and it went no where. for him to blame republicans, come on. >> don't forget, it has been 13 hyundais since hair arery reid even passed a budget out of the united states senate. we don't even know what the united states senators stand for in terms of the budget debate. the same thing on taxes. the house actually passed a lot of people don't know that earlier this year the house passed a bill to extend all of the bush era tax cuts for another year until resolve the issue. the senate again didn't act on that. the grave yard of the items are the united states senate. the other thing interesting harry reid said the president has his door open to any negotiating in any kind of deal that the republicans may offer. they put revenues on the table which a lot
great to hear harry reid on this. the last time i checked the do so called proposal that a he put forth in july didn't really receive any support and only dealt with tax increases. it wasn't a comprehensive deal and didn't involve real spending cuts it was just raise tax and it went no where. for him to blame republicans, come on. >> don't forget, it has been 13 hyundais since hair arery reid even passed a budget out of the united states senate. we don't even know what the united states...
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reid, go to work. you've had years to lead this senate. go to work on that. i think we have principled leadership. >> i agree. >> often timesn0 i'm worried and the real issue is spending. it's a spending problem. the issue just came up. >> right. >> so where do we go from here? congressmanvbñn gomer? it's been put in the senate in their hands wex heard from hairy red today. moving forward. i understand the president is reac republicans in the senate. but they don't have the rightbw to originate constitutionally spending bills from there. where do we go from here? >> well, either the senate will do their constit/2ajal duty of taking a bill that originated in the house, and dealing with the issue and pass their version of it. then it would go a conference committee where compromise gets worked out.sqç hairy reid is becoming the cliff diver here by saying we're not going toq#éy let our house, senate'>pzg house, funct. we're going to dive off the cliff and blame the republicans and every ledge down the way. >> gentlemen. good to see you. we're going to contin
reid, go to work. you've had years to lead this senate. go to work on that. i think we have principled leadership. >> i agree. >> often timesn0 i'm worried and the real issue is spending. it's a spending problem. the issue just came up. >> right. >> so where do we go from here? congressmanvbñn gomer? it's been put in the senate in their hands wex heard from hairy red today. moving forward. i understand the president is reac republicans in the senate. but they don't have...
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so does harry reid. and so does the president. i think the problem lies with the tea party republicans in the house. that is the problem. i think it makes no sense to assign blame right now. i think the next 24 hours are critical. i worry about the automatic defense cuts. medicare, people vulnerable problems but i think there is a genuine effort by these leaders right now especially mcconnell and harry reid to get a bill to the senate floor that you mentioned that moves us in the right direction. maybe short-term and then in a few days later after the new year's a longer term grand bargain. >> sean: you know, governor, with all -- we are goodiends, y question. for 1300 p. days over three years the senate has a constant -- i know you are laughing. the senate as a constitutional authority to pass spending bills and they he haven't done it. and now three days before the country is going over a fiscal cliff and now maybe might get a mini deal and now they are engaged. don't you think that is irresponsible from the democratic standpoin
so does harry reid. and so does the president. i think the problem lies with the tea party republicans in the house. that is the problem. i think it makes no sense to assign blame right now. i think the next 24 hours are critical. i worry about the automatic defense cuts. medicare, people vulnerable problems but i think there is a genuine effort by these leaders right now especially mcconnell and harry reid to get a bill to the senate floor that you mentioned that moves us in the right...
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meanwhile harry reid said this is all doa. i'm not agreeing to this anyway even if they pass it both sides have dug their heels in, have they not? >> both sides have dug their heels. in i think the president is working very hard behind the scenes to try to make something happen. let's remember this. in 2008, george bush needed a package passed that would rescue the economy. many republicans were not in favor of it in the house. it was a democratically controlled house. the democrats passed that because they understood the consequences of not passing it. folks decide no increase tax pledge better remember they took an oath to -- an oath that supersedes that to do their duty and defend the constitution of the united states. we have got people and it's on both sides, laura, i would agree. people on both sides being unreasonable and i believe and the president believes there are enough people in both parties that can come together in the middle. >> laura: here is what harry reid said though. we don't know what's going on behind cl
meanwhile harry reid said this is all doa. i'm not agreeing to this anyway even if they pass it both sides have dug their heels in, have they not? >> both sides have dug their heels. in i think the president is working very hard behind the scenes to try to make something happen. let's remember this. in 2008, george bush needed a package passed that would rescue the economy. many republicans were not in favor of it in the house. it was a democratically controlled house. the democrats...
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meanwhile harry reid said this is all doa. i'm not agreeing to this anyway even if they pass it both sides have dug their heels in, have they not? >> both sides have dug their heels. in i think the president is working very hard behind the scenes to try to make something happen. let's remember this. in 2008, george bush needed a package passed that would rescue the economy. many republicans were not in favor of it in the house. it was a democratically controlled house. the democrats passed that because they understood the consequences of not passing it. folks decide no increase tax pledge better remember they took an oath to -- an oath that supersedes that to do their duty and defend the constitution of the united states. we have got people and it's on both sides, laura, i would agree. people on both sides being unreasonable and i believe and the president believes there are enough people in both parties that can come together in the middle. >> laura: here is what harry reid said though. we don't know what's going on behind cl
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senators reid and mcconnell are discussing potential agreement. where we get a bipartisan bill out of the senate. over to the house and done in a timely fashion. so that we met the december 31 deadline. given how things have been working in this town, we always have to wait and see until it happens. one thing the american people should not have to wait and see is some sort of action. if we don't see an agreement between the two leaders in the senate, i expect a bill to go on the floor and i asked senator reid to do this, put a bill on the floor that makes sure that taxes on middle class families don't go up, that unemployment insurance is still available for 2 million people. and that lays the groundwork for additional deficit reduction and economic growth steps we can take in the new year. let's not miss this deadline. that is the bare minimum we should be able to get done. it shouldn't that hard since democrats and republicans both say they don't want to see tax goes up on middle class families. i just to have to repeat. outside of washington, n
senators reid and mcconnell are discussing potential agreement. where we get a bipartisan bill out of the senate. over to the house and done in a timely fashion. so that we met the december 31 deadline. given how things have been working in this town, we always have to wait and see until it happens. one thing the american people should not have to wait and see is some sort of action. if we don't see an agreement between the two leaders in the senate, i expect a bill to go on the floor and i...
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harry reid and mitch mcconnell are the key players. he sounded frustrated after not receiving a counter-offer. a key member of the leadership team offered this update. >> offeringses and discussions between and we remain hopeful that will get a breakthrough. obviously what happened here between the two leaders in the senate had broken down because the senate democrats failed to come forward with a counter offer to the proposal the republicans made last night. hopefully the discussions between the.and senator mcconnell will get us on track. >> republican aides recognize the consequences if it falls apart. everybody gets a tax increase in 48 hours. >> well, it's less than 48 hours now. i'm wonder, are the democrats fighting among themself? >> there's a battle over social security. republicans are including a new way of calculating inflation to lower payments to recipients of social security. democrats had could consider it if it's part of a $4 trillion package. now republicans say it's off the table and key democrats are hopeful senate l
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>> this is not about leadership. 1,337 days, harry reid hasn't pass add a budget. they have been in control the whole time. this fiscal cliff was predictable. we knew this was going to happen two years ago. and don't forget, these are the bush-obama tax cuts. all the president needs to do is actually propose some spending cuts. i think with geithner's admission that the debt ceiling will be burst through on december 31st clearly shows it's a problem. it's time to cut spending, not for now but future generations that have to pay this off. >> it seems to me, congressman gohmert, the bush tax cuts have been law since 2001-2003. it seems if the president doesn't want to go over the fiscal cliff, you guys pass the bill, harry reid could do something he hasn't done in over three years, pass it in the senate, give it to the president, and nobody's taxes are going to go up, crisis averred and then they can spend team after the new year negotiating tax reform, entitlement reform, living within our means. why don't they just do that? >> well, they could, but they want to dem
>> this is not about leadership. 1,337 days, harry reid hasn't pass add a budget. they have been in control the whole time. this fiscal cliff was predictable. we knew this was going to happen two years ago. and don't forget, these are the bush-obama tax cuts. all the president needs to do is actually propose some spending cuts. i think with geithner's admission that the debt ceiling will be burst through on december 31st clearly shows it's a problem. it's time to cut spending, not for now...
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one person isn't spotted yet on the beltway is house speaker john boehner and harry reid took him to task for it earlier. demanding that he bring the chamber of commerce back to session for a deal to be struck. >> the house of representatives with four days left aren't here with the speaker having told them he will give them 48 hours' notice. if we go over the cliff it will be with the knowledge that could have been done with a single vote. >> andrea: boehner's spokesman said reid should talk less. the speaker insists the senate should ask first for members to reconvene on sunday. we can go off the cliff. pass the obama tax cut and reinstate the sequester cuts to things like he likes like the national institute of health and cut the defense budget. put republicans in the corner to say you want to bring a bill to the floor? be my guest. am i right? >> bob: my, you are cynical. keep in mind, they said, boehner said he wants to go to the senate. under the constitution, you cannot start a bill on taxes in the senate. has to come from the house. there is a 48-hour limit because you have t
one person isn't spotted yet on the beltway is house speaker john boehner and harry reid took him to task for it earlier. demanding that he bring the chamber of commerce back to session for a deal to be struck. >> the house of representatives with four days left aren't here with the speaker having told them he will give them 48 hours' notice. if we go over the cliff it will be with the knowledge that could have been done with a single vote. >> andrea: boehner's spokesman said reid...
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senator harry reid has not passed budgets. president obama's budgets have been voted on 3 times, the final vote tally, 0-610. so getting back to your first question, have i seen a plan out of this president that would be an obvious yes from us? i haven't seen any specific plan. all i have seen is demagoguery and a few numbers thrown out, whether it's $800 billion over 10 years or $1 of revenue for $3 of spending cuts, but nothing specific that we need to see to hammer this thing out. >> he says the onus is on congress, this is your job to get done. he said in the clip we just had, if it doesn't get done, the people who are going to pay are the senior who is will lose out on benefits that they are enjoying. is that an accurate representation of what will happen? >> no! this country needs presidential leadership. the house has passed two budgets that would spend $7 trillion less than what president obama's budgets were proposed at. again, remember president obama's budgets didn't get a vote from a member of his own party. we do
senator harry reid has not passed budgets. president obama's budgets have been voted on 3 times, the final vote tally, 0-610. so getting back to your first question, have i seen a plan out of this president that would be an obvious yes from us? i haven't seen any specific plan. all i have seen is demagoguery and a few numbers thrown out, whether it's $800 billion over 10 years or $1 of revenue for $3 of spending cuts, but nothing specific that we need to see to hammer this thing out. >>...
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ar majority leader harry reid who has gotten involved, helpful or hurtful? >> i don't know if they are serious. there is talk democrats want to go over the fiscal cliff. if no action is taken by december 31st, everyone's tacks go up. that gives more revenue to the federal government and the president can decide who he will propose tax cuts for. i think the democrats feel it could go over the cliff. everyone's taxes will be gone up. >> automatically. >> what would happen to spending if you went over the cliff? >> you would have automatic spending cuts come in which in some cases mate be good, but could december mate defense. and that's the real concern i have is that these cuts are almost arbitrarily 50-50 and the defense is not 50% of the budget, and they will drastically cut weapon systems and the deployment of our troops. >> i can understand that you would be concerned about that. in terms of this christmas break now that you are home and the president is in hawaii, but the president suggested it is a cooling off period for everyone. are you optimistic tha
ar majority leader harry reid who has gotten involved, helpful or hurtful? >> i don't know if they are serious. there is talk democrats want to go over the fiscal cliff. if no action is taken by december 31st, everyone's tacks go up. that gives more revenue to the federal government and the president can decide who he will propose tax cuts for. i think the democrats feel it could go over the cliff. everyone's taxes will be gone up. >> automatically. >> what would happen to...
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and i have asked senator reid to do. this put a bill on the floor that makes sure that taxes on middle class families don't go up, that unemployment insurance is still available for 2 million people, and that lays the groundwork then for additional deficit reduction and economic growth steps that we can take in the new year. >> joining us now from capitol hill. south dakota republican senator john thune, a member of the budget committee. so, senator, what do you make of the president's plan? >> i'm just glad the president is engaged. you can't do big things in washington, d.c. without presidential leadership. that's what we haven't had. the fact that he is now owe table. better late than never i would argue. at least he is at the table presenting something that wl give us a chance hopefully to get some bipartisan support in the senate and perhaps get something to the house that will avert what everybody agrees is a major economic disaster. but we're still waiting for the details and obviously there is a long ways to go a
and i have asked senator reid to do. this put a bill on the floor that makes sure that taxes on middle class families don't go up, that unemployment insurance is still available for 2 million people, and that lays the groundwork then for additional deficit reduction and economic growth steps that we can take in the new year. >> joining us now from capitol hill. south dakota republican senator john thune, a member of the budget committee. so, senator, what do you make of the president's...
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both sides need to come together again, it's on president obama, harry reid and the tea party. >> jamie: let's get michael in here. michael, at this point what can the president do? he's on vacation and the american people are wondering, they're selling off houses, selling off stock. they don't know what next year looks like. >> in the interest of communication, not where the president is at christmas, but speaker boehner basically asked harry reid to figure out how to get a package that he can get 100 republican votes in the house of representatives on and harry reid is very good at figuring out the compromise that angela just talked about. i completely agree with angela's point, that the tea party has the speaker held hostage. a half dozen members or so, under no circumstances can we vote for taxes even on people over a million dollars, so i predict that we probably get over the cliff and that allows republicans to say, well, i only voted to cut taxes for 99%. i hope they get it done the second after it enacts so people don't feel it in their pocket books as they go into the new year.
both sides need to come together again, it's on president obama, harry reid and the tea party. >> jamie: let's get michael in here. michael, at this point what can the president do? he's on vacation and the american people are wondering, they're selling off houses, selling off stock. they don't know what next year looks like. >> in the interest of communication, not where the president is at christmas, but speaker boehner basically asked harry reid to figure out how to get a package...
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that would be senate majority leader harry reid. seemed kind of irritated that house republicans and all house members are not here in washington trying to work out a deal on the fiscal cliff. here is more from leader reid a short time ago. >> if we go over the cliff and it looks like that's where we're headed, mr. president, the house of representatives, as we speak, with four days left after today before the first of the year aren't here with the speaker having told them they will give them 8 hours notice. i can't imagine their consciences. >> reporter: of course president obama has left hawaii. he is heading back to washington from his family vacation. we learned from the white house that the president had made calls to the top four congressional leaders mcconnell and boehner on the republican side, pelosi and reid on the democratic side. we'll see what the president has in mind when he touches down back in washington a little later this morning, harris. harris: mike you mentioned it. i'm mentioning it too. it is coming into the
that would be senate majority leader harry reid. seemed kind of irritated that house republicans and all house members are not here in washington trying to work out a deal on the fiscal cliff. here is more from leader reid a short time ago. >> if we go over the cliff and it looks like that's where we're headed, mr. president, the house of representatives, as we speak, with four days left after today before the first of the year aren't here with the speaker having told them they will give...
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after hearing senator reid yesterday, senator mcconnell fired back. take a listen. >> we're coming up against a hard deadline here and i said, this is a conversation we should had months ago. and republicans aren't about to write a blank check for anything senate democrats put forward just because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff. >> reporter: now senator mcconnell also said he was disappointed because when he got a call from the president two nights ago right before the president left hawaii to come back here to the white house, senator mcconnell says that was the first time he heard from any democrat, president, senator reid, nancy pelosi, anybody in about a month in terms of talking about the fiscal cliff. so everyone has sort of delayed really facing all of th up against the deadline now, jon. jon: that seems clear. ed henry at the white house there. ed, thank you. stay on it for us. for more on this let's bring in the editor of "campaigns & elections" magazine, shane deapril. campaigns and elections might be appropriate here because som
after hearing senator reid yesterday, senator mcconnell fired back. take a listen. >> we're coming up against a hard deadline here and i said, this is a conversation we should had months ago. and republicans aren't about to write a blank check for anything senate democrats put forward just because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff. >> reporter: now senator mcconnell also said he was disappointed because when he got a call from the president two nights ago right before the...
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senator harry reid as you say was very rough going directly after boehner yesterday. take a listen. >> the american people i don't think understand the house of representatives is operating without the house of representatives. it's being operated with a dictatorship of the speaker, not allowing the vast majority of the house of representatives to get what they want. >> reporter: the word dictatorship not sitting well at speaker's office of the as you can imagine his spokesman putting out a tough statement of his own saying quote, senator reid should talk less and legislate more. the house already passed legislation to avoid the entire fiscal cliff. senate democrats have not. there you go. the senators saying the house to act. the speaker's office saying senate has to act. there is pressure building on the president to bring both house, and senate, democratic leaders all four leaders into the white house today to bring leadership down, time is running it. let's come together. gregg: adds all new meaning to the word elementary school. ed henry, thanks very much. we're
senator harry reid as you say was very rough going directly after boehner yesterday. take a listen. >> the american people i don't think understand the house of representatives is operating without the house of representatives. it's being operated with a dictatorship of the speaker, not allowing the vast majority of the house of representatives to get what they want. >> reporter: the word dictatorship not sitting well at speaker's office of the as you can imagine his spokesman...
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so the pressure shifts to senate majority leader harry reid. and what he may be able to strike to get at least some republican support. >> house republicans voted pass the tax cut and automatic cut to defense and domestic program starting in the new year. so they shifted the focus for the need for majority leader harry reid and the senate democrats to do something. >> the way the senate is fon functionm right now, not even bringing the bills upper committee is frustrating to those of us in the house that are doing the work that has to be done. if senate wants to resolution, the senate has to actually pass something on this. we have done our work. senate has to respond. >> challenge is determining what passed the republican-led house and democrat-controlled senate. fiscal conservatives say a smaller stop gap measure to avoid the cliff won't work. >> if we, in fact, do not use this period of time before right now, deal with the bigger issue and entitlements, if we just continue to kick the can down the road. the market will respond in a more perm
so the pressure shifts to senate majority leader harry reid. and what he may be able to strike to get at least some republican support. >> house republicans voted pass the tax cut and automatic cut to defense and domestic program starting in the new year. so they shifted the focus for the need for majority leader harry reid and the senate democrats to do something. >> the way the senate is fon functionm right now, not even bringing the bills upper committee is frustrating to those...
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. >> harris: a spokesman for john boehner fired back "senator reid should talk less and legislate more." and senate minority leader mcconnell saying we should have worked all this out months ago. >> and republicans aren't about to write a blank check or anything senate democrats put forward just because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff. >> harris: tonight, that is exactly where we stand. at the edge of a cliff throwing blame for how you we got here. a lot of finger pointing and no answers as i said and just days remaining until tax increases and spending cuts all kick in and we all feel the pain. mike emanuel live with the news for us tonight on capitol hill. top democrats seem to be suggesting they cannot cut a deal without republican help. >> well, harris, that is right. and so they are asking what it will take to at least get some republican support. they say time is so critical. they cannot just roll out new legislation only to have the republicans reject it. we know president obama called the top four congressional leaders last night on his way back from hawaii. tomorrow
. >> harris: a spokesman for john boehner fired back "senator reid should talk less and legislate more." and senate minority leader mcconnell saying we should have worked all this out months ago. >> and republicans aren't about to write a blank check or anything senate democrats put forward just because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff. >> harris: tonight, that is exactly where we stand. at the edge of a cliff throwing blame for how you we got here. a lot...
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majority leader harry reid recognizes this is a critical time. we have a lot meeting in the white house very con struck stif. we hope that it will bear fruit. we hope the next 24 hours will be very instructive as to what we're able to accomplish. >> in order to make that happen, the senate will not be in session tomorrow, harris. >> do they generally agree with the democratic perspective here on whether or not this can get done? >> harris, republicans say it was a good meeting at the white house. we're told there was a discussion of potential options and components of a plan that could pass both the house and senate. here's the top senate republicans take. >> we are engaged in discussions, the majority leader and myself and the white house in the hopes that we can come forward i can make to my conference and the majority leader can make to his conference. so we'll be working hard it to try to see if we can get there in the next 24 hours. >> that's sets up a critical day on sunday when house republicans and their colleagues the democrats return an
majority leader harry reid recognizes this is a critical time. we have a lot meeting in the white house very con struck stif. we hope that it will bear fruit. we hope the next 24 hours will be very instructive as to what we're able to accomplish. >> in order to make that happen, the senate will not be in session tomorrow, harris. >> do they generally agree with the democratic perspective here on whether or not this can get done? >> harris, republicans say it was a good meeting...
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we just heard from the top senate democrat harley reid respondinharry reid responding to the statement. here is what he said. >> this happy talk that this republican house leadership said yesterday, let him take our bill. mr. president that bill was brought up and defeated. i refeet the american peopl repeat the american people do not agree with the republicans in the house and the republicans over here. >> reporter: the senate is back in session today, the house is not. patti ann: molly henneberg live ph washington, thank you. gregg: as washington debates the fiscal cliff we are also days away from another financial crisis. the u.s. government is poised to hit its debt limit on monday. what happens if congress doesn't raise the debt sealing? douglas holtz ee eakin is a former director of the nonpartisan budget direction office and is president of american action firearm. thapblgs for being with us. what happens if they don't raise the ceiling? >> ultimately congress has to raise the ceiling. it's simply naive to believe you could ever put the level of spending kick quickly become to t
we just heard from the top senate democrat harley reid respondinharry reid responding to the statement. here is what he said. >> this happy talk that this republican house leadership said yesterday, let him take our bill. mr. president that bill was brought up and defeated. i refeet the american peopl repeat the american people do not agree with the republicans in the house and the republicans over here. >> reporter: the senate is back in session today, the house is not. patti ann:...
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gregg: what about harry reid? what's his, does he have anything at all maybe towards the end of the week he will put on the table? i've been hearing he will put to a vote an extension of the bush tax cuts for anybody making under $250,000 a year, extend unemployment benefits for some 2 million people that are about to lose them. what are you hearing? >> right. he sounded pretty pessimistic this morning but that could change and there's, kind of a fight, procedurally between the house and the senate in a sense that if reid originates a bill in the senate that would do what you said, people in the house say, well that would be unacceptable because the constitution requires revenue bills to originate in the house. but there is this bill that the house did pass a while back extending tax cuts for everybody. the senate could actually amend that bill. it originated in the house and then send it back and actually get somewhere. you have to remember that john boehner actually gave in on the principle of raising tax rates
gregg: what about harry reid? what's his, does he have anything at all maybe towards the end of the week he will put on the table? i've been hearing he will put to a vote an extension of the bush tax cuts for anybody making under $250,000 a year, extend unemployment benefits for some 2 million people that are about to lose them. what are you hearing? >> right. he sounded pretty pessimistic this morning but that could change and there's, kind of a fight, procedurally between the house and...
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they are all on harry reid's desk. he can pick up whatever he wants. now for the president to think that just taking a break from the discussions will solve the issue, i don't understand what he thinks is going to come from that. we have had our bills over there. we even passed a budget. and we are going on four years with the senate not even passing a budget. inaction has been the choice of the senate leadership. choices have consequences. and their consequences that the american people are facing this fiscal cliff it is going to happen on january 1st and 2nd, and it is happening because they have not done their job. the president should be speaking to harry reid in the senate saying come on now, get busy on this. take up one of those budgets. take up the tax extenders. this is what i am looking for, this is what we are going to work with you on. you know what, that's not what he did. >> in the negotiations leading up to the super committee back in 2011, speaker boehner spoke frankly about the president's negotiating habits. he said he was not a good
they are all on harry reid's desk. he can pick up whatever he wants. now for the president to think that just taking a break from the discussions will solve the issue, i don't understand what he thinks is going to come from that. we have had our bills over there. we even passed a budget. and we are going on four years with the senate not even passing a budget. inaction has been the choice of the senate leadership. choices have consequences. and their consequences that the american people are...
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senator reid should talk less and legislate more. the house has passed legislation to avoid the entire fiscal cliff and senate democrats have not. now they are coming into the meeting and there is already acrimoney instead of reconciliation. >> part of the problem, i am sorry, the house passed two spending bills and ideas to meet the fiscal cliff and cent -- subject it to the senate. they have two over there . john boehner said let me get third plan b . everybody is like where are the republicans on this? they should have stayed firm on the ryan plan. it was the best . back track a year ago. this stems from the failure of the super committee that stemmed from the simpson-bowles commission failing. simpson-bowles. they got together and made the recommendation to president obama who commissioned that study can. >> kelly: and yet rejected it. >> that fail would and went to the super committee. they need to get together. >> julia: if you watched fox news channel yesterday. there is a map with red dots and that is the newspaper and the lo
senator reid should talk less and legislate more. the house has passed legislation to avoid the entire fiscal cliff and senate democrats have not. now they are coming into the meeting and there is already acrimoney instead of reconciliation. >> part of the problem, i am sorry, the house passed two spending bills and ideas to meet the fiscal cliff and cent -- subject it to the senate. they have two over there . john boehner said let me get third plan b . everybody is like where are the...
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all eyes now on senator reid and mcconnell. can they get a deal. they are dealmakers. they struck deals before. they have been working over the last 24 hours and we still have not seen an announcement from the talks. looks like we are going over the cliff. >> that begs the question if there is reid mcconnell deal in the senate. some discussion it would probably include an extension of tax rates for most americans. extension of unemployment benefits. possibly a measure to prevent the scheduled cut in medicare payments to doctors. how will the house respond to any senate deal? >> i think if mcconnell is onboard he will bring a lot of republican votes. the democrats are by and large if the president supports it they will back their president. there could be enough votes in the house, speaker john boehner talked about amending that bill. i think if it gets a 70 to 30 senate vote i think i it get te votes in it the house to pass but it might not happen until after january 3, january 4. >> i want to ask you about what ed henry was just reporting. president obama says either
all eyes now on senator reid and mcconnell. can they get a deal. they are dealmakers. they struck deals before. they have been working over the last 24 hours and we still have not seen an announcement from the talks. looks like we are going over the cliff. >> that begs the question if there is reid mcconnell deal in the senate. some discussion it would probably include an extension of tax rates for most americans. extension of unemployment benefits. possibly a measure to prevent the...
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it's more than senator harry reid has done on behalf of the senate democrats. the senate democrats haven't proposed a budget. and unless everyone puts a budget on the table there can't be a discussion. senator harry reid has a pocket veto on the budget. >> and that's not within the law. the law says the congress has to pass a budget every year, the senate has to pass a budget but harry reid has chosen not to bring a budget year after year after year. he's not committed to dealing with the major problem of the country, the spending. >> and it's sort of interesting. nevada re-election him, that's their choice but the rest of the country is held hostage. people in my home state of wisconsin, if they don't like harry reid has majority leader there's nothing they can do. they can put pressure on their senators, but for the most part senator harry reid is in a very powerful position. >> i think he's taking orders from president obama. this is time for the president of the united states to lead. there's only one person who has the pen who can sign into law the law pre
it's more than senator harry reid has done on behalf of the senate democrats. the senate democrats haven't proposed a budget. and unless everyone puts a budget on the table there can't be a discussion. senator harry reid has a pocket veto on the budget. >> and that's not within the law. the law says the congress has to pass a budget every year, the senate has to pass a budget but harry reid has chosen not to bring a budget year after year after year. he's not committed to dealing with the...
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harry reid has been making a speech moments ago and telling a where senator bob dole like senator inouye, they recuperated in michigan and later served in the senate together, bob dole walked up to the casket and lifted his left hand, his right hand was badly damage and saluted. a poignant moment. president obama at the washington cathedral, it was his really earliest political inspiration. both the president and senate majority leader reflecting on daniel inouye both a long time legislator but two days they will be getting back to work on the fiscal cliff. >> heather: the difficult job of reporting from hawaii, thank you so much, ed. >> gregg: the mother of john hammer telling her son is now in a louisiana hospital. he was released from a mexican prison last week after months behind bars. mexican authorities arrested him after he carried an antique shotgun into their country, even though he says he legally declared the weapon and had a permit for it. today his dad reportedly brought him to the emergency room during their drive back together to florida. his family reported he had a stoma
harry reid has been making a speech moments ago and telling a where senator bob dole like senator inouye, they recuperated in michigan and later served in the senate together, bob dole walked up to the casket and lifted his left hand, his right hand was badly damage and saluted. a poignant moment. president obama at the washington cathedral, it was his really earliest political inspiration. both the president and senate majority leader reflecting on daniel inouye both a long time legislator but...
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now we're talking about reid and mcconnell and the senate. has john boehner been deemed powerless by the developments and what the house voted and did not vote on that million dollars threshold? >> well, i don't know that i'd say powerless because if it does pass the senate he becomes quite powerful, but he's definitely on the sidelines on this president, and that may be just as well, quite frankly because i have to say if you bet on boehner and obama getting into a room together and making a deal, you'd have lost a lot of money over the last couple of years. on the other hand, when reid and mcdonnell, the two senate leaders get into a room together, they somehow seem to be able to find an accommodation. i think there's much more for compromise with the senate leaders. let them make a deal, i'm sure reid is talking to the president and conversely, mcconnell is talking to boehner what they can go for, but probably to have the actual deal making going on between the two senate leaders. >> dave: chris, i want to say farewell, last time i'll chat
now we're talking about reid and mcconnell and the senate. has john boehner been deemed powerless by the developments and what the house voted and did not vote on that million dollars threshold? >> well, i don't know that i'd say powerless because if it does pass the senate he becomes quite powerful, but he's definitely on the sidelines on this president, and that may be just as well, quite frankly because i have to say if you bet on boehner and obama getting into a room together and...
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>> it depends really what mcconnell and reid really broker. if it's something that's a good deal that we can move to the new year and start looking at structural entitlement reform, then we'll take it. i completely disagree with alexis, by the way. the president is not showing leadership with this deal. what he's trying to do is push the blame on the house republicans and break them. he's not interested in just winning this issue. he's interested in getting his agenda through which includes more regulation, gun control possibly, and immigration reform. all he wants to do is win the blame game. he's not interested in leadership because if he was interested in leadership, he would have brokered from the beginning in good faith and because he just ignores entitlement reform, he's kidding himself. >> heather: alexis, i'll let you respond to that. because when it comes to spending cuts, president obama says his own, his own words, quote, lays the groundwork for that in the future. the last big budget deal in the summer of 2011, it ended with precis
>> it depends really what mcconnell and reid really broker. if it's something that's a good deal that we can move to the new year and start looking at structural entitlement reform, then we'll take it. i completely disagree with alexis, by the way. the president is not showing leadership with this deal. what he's trying to do is push the blame on the house republicans and break them. he's not interested in just winning this issue. he's interested in getting his agenda through which...
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gregg: brad, there's a very good chance that harry reid by the end of the week will get passed in the senate a bill that says we're going to extend the bush tax cuts for everybody making under $250,000, and we'll extend unemployment for two million people whose unemployment checks are going to run out. and then it's going to go to the house. speaker boehner will probably have to put that up for a vote, and won't it pass the house with moderate republicans and all the democrats and then the republicans are going to say, jeez, we should have passed that plan b thing? >> i'm not so sure that's going to happen because, again, a deal is only as good as it is for both parties. o our problem is spending, not revenue. we're willing to raise revenue, but not without deep spending cuts, without tackling entitlements and guess what? next quarter what do we face? another crisis of raising the debt ceiling. gregg: is it better to go over the cliff then, brad? >> i think the president believes he's in a much better position the go over the cliff. why? because there's nothing he has to do as a matte
gregg: brad, there's a very good chance that harry reid by the end of the week will get passed in the senate a bill that says we're going to extend the bush tax cuts for everybody making under $250,000, and we'll extend unemployment for two million people whose unemployment checks are going to run out. and then it's going to go to the house. speaker boehner will probably have to put that up for a vote, and won't it pass the house with moderate republicans and all the democrats and then the...
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you are asking the wrong person let's hear what senator harry reid have to say on that. he and boehner went back and forth. let's listen. >> if we come up with something that's not that easy we're dealing with big numbers and some of the stuff that we do is somewhat complicated but i think it was a positive meeting there was not a lot of hilarity in the meeting. everyone knows how important it is. it is a very serious meeting and it would have took an extended period of time as you all know waiting for us. but everybody, this is -- whatever we come up with is going to be imperfect. some people aren't going to like it. some people will like it less. but that's where we're. and i feel confident that we have an obligation to do the best we can and that was made very clear in the white house. we're going to do the best we can for the caucuses that we have and the country waiting for us to make a decision. >> juliet: charles krauthammer made a great point the other day. ultimately the way the president is going to be judged isn't going to be what happens in the next couple of
you are asking the wrong person let's hear what senator harry reid have to say on that. he and boehner went back and forth. let's listen. >> if we come up with something that's not that easy we're dealing with big numbers and some of the stuff that we do is somewhat complicated but i think it was a positive meeting there was not a lot of hilarity in the meeting. everyone knows how important it is. it is a very serious meeting and it would have took an extended period of time as you all...
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>> i think harry reid will do a stopgap deal, and we'll be back at the drawing board. gregg: tony 134. >> that's what's going to happen at best, and it's not going to solve the problem. we need the grand bargain, we really do. gregg: good to see you both. >> good to be here. >> thanks so much, gregg. heather: coming up, a potentially major strike threatening the u.s. economy from coast to coast as business leaders ask where is president obama? with poor workers on the brink of a walkout that could cost billions. gregg: and we are learning more about the man who killed two firefighters, upstate new york. we're going to talk with a clinical psychologist about how a man like this could slip through the cracks, a man who claimed in his farewell note that killing people was what he liked to do. >>> and an officer wiewbded in the shooting -- wound withed in the shooting speaking out just moments ago for first time. >> for some reason some person decides that he can do whatever he wants. no one ever expected that, i never expected that. these are things that no one ever expec
>> i think harry reid will do a stopgap deal, and we'll be back at the drawing board. gregg: tony 134. >> that's what's going to happen at best, and it's not going to solve the problem. we need the grand bargain, we really do. gregg: good to see you both. >> good to be here. >> thanks so much, gregg. heather: coming up, a potentially major strike threatening the u.s. economy from coast to coast as business leaders ask where is president obama? with poor workers on the...
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they're both having their problems and you know, two weeks ago now that harry reid was spending all of his time trying to find popcorn for a special showing of the lincoln movie? get to work people. >> neil: that's right, by the way, we have it on good authority he did find way to get a waiver so they could have food in the auditorium. i don't think it was buttered, just regular. >> no way, that's so good. >> neil: ben stein, the bottom line, nothing gets done and back and forth continues. >> it's a disgrace, first of all, aim not sure there are 330 million americans and your data may be-- >> 328.4, i digress. >> the real issue to me, the simple thing, they're our representatives, they're the government. they're supposed to be governing, not supposed to be pouting and throwing fits. they're supposed to be governing and this is a big giant issue, they've got to get to work. this, this comic game playing and pout ang showing off, it's a disgrace and they've got to come back and i think the president should call them back into session and get to work. >> i totally disagree. >> i knew you
they're both having their problems and you know, two weeks ago now that harry reid was spending all of his time trying to find popcorn for a special showing of the lincoln movie? get to work people. >> neil: that's right, by the way, we have it on good authority he did find way to get a waiver so they could have food in the auditorium. i don't think it was buttered, just regular. >> no way, that's so good. >> neil: ben stein, the bottom line, nothing gets done and back and...
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now, we are in the midst of a lot of last ditch pa bargaining between the senate leaders reid and mcconnell. what do you think of the chances for a small deal in the next less than 48 hours to avoid the cliff? >> exceedingly good. i think people don't want to go over the cliff if we can avoid it. i think what have we accomplished? political victory for the president. he stood his ground and he will get tax rate increases. maybe not at 250 but on upper income americans and the sad news for the country s that we accomplished very little in terms of not becoming greece or getting out of debt. this deal won't affect the debt situation. it will be a political victory for the president and i hope we will have the courage of our convictions when it comes time to raise the debt ceiling to fight for what we believe in asp republicans. but hats off to the president, he won. >> chris: you don't think some of the more conservative colleagues will filibuster or set up a procedural road block? they will vote to avoid going over the cliff? >> no, but if mcconnell can't get 60% of us to vote for this deal
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harry reid won't take it up. after the election john boehner got criticism even from my party saying look, mr. president we will meet you halfway and give you the $800 billion in revenue and the president doubles the number. then last week he said all right let's try and get as many after hostages out alive and try as keep taxes from going up and we couldn't get a single democrat to join with us on a single bill introduced this summer which was saving all taxpayers a million dollars and below from the tax rates going on. not a single democrat would join with us. this didn't a problem of two well intentioned negotiators not able to come up with a deal. this is the house having to negotiate with itself and the president who i believe is beginning to show his cards which is someone who doesn't really want to deal, who for whatever reason believes that it is to his political benefit or are a potential gain for us to go over this cliff to try and make us look obstinate in the house. >> greta: i have the president's st
harry reid won't take it up. after the election john boehner got criticism even from my party saying look, mr. president we will meet you halfway and give you the $800 billion in revenue and the president doubles the number. then last week he said all right let's try and get as many after hostages out alive and try as keep taxes from going up and we couldn't get a single democrat to join with us on a single bill introduced this summer which was saving all taxpayers a million dollars and below...